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let me finish tonight with this. dick cheney leads a certain type of republican there are people who trust his word, ignoring what he has done. he has made a point to avoid military service himself, yet relies on the military instinctively. he likes military action. he offers himself as an oracle, a person who can see well into the future, yet he is the one more than anyone was intent on taking us into iraq, claiming all the time we would be treated as liberators, that there were nuclear weapons in the hands of saddam hussein, weapons that
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could be used against us in america. well, the question is when has dick cheney been right? this weekend he accused the president of making what he called second rate selections for our national security team. hmm, john kerry is second rate? john kerry who volunteered for combat in vietnam and faced the enemy under fire? john kerry who was nearly elected president, a contest in which dick cheney didn't dare try for first base? chairman of the senate foreign relations committee, that john kerry? dick cheney reminds me of what my hero, winston churchill once said of people who stick around past their time, people like dick cheney offering their wisdom so freely. we need fewer peerages and more disappeara disappearages. that's "hardball" for now. "the ed show" with ed schultz starts right now. good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show" from new york. there is no bigger story in america than the republican plan to destroy the economy in just 18 days. this is "the ed show." let's get to work.
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>> mr. speaker, the president of the united states. >> the president gets set to address the nation with an economy held hostage. tonight iowa senator tom harkin on the ticking time bomb of the sequester and how the president can dismantle it. pope benedict xvi breaks centuries of tradition and shocks the world with his sudden resignation. tonight the director of the acclaimed hbo documentary mea maxima culpa joins me for exclusive reaction. we'll have the latest on the largest manhunt in california as the largest manhunt in history continues. roger ailes is making accusations of racism. an unhinged nra board member, ted nugent, is making an appearance in the chamber for the president's state of the union address. >> barack obama becomes the
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president in november again, he will either be dead or in jail by this time next year. >> we'll tell you which member of congress invited him. good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. every now and then in this business you get a feeling about a story. you know, we need to talk more about this. there is not enough conversation about what is going on here. and i want our audience to grab these numbers tonight because a lot of things can happen. between now and march 1 that aren't good for the economy. i want to start with this number. $85 billion. that's a lot of money. think about that between now and the end of the year, $85 billion. in just 17 days, here is another number. the u.s. economy will be hit with $85 billion in across-the-board cuts. how can americans not be thinking okay, what does this mean to me? the stakes are high. they're really high. president obama is going to focus on the economy in his state of the union address tomorrow night. he needs to. the fragile economic recovery
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pretty much hangs in the balance when you throw numbers like this around. congress imposed this budget sequester on the country, and now they have just been unable to deal with it. here is a taste of what will happen. here is where the conversation gets a little dicey. it means between 600,000 and maybe a little bit more than a million jobs could be lost, depending on how businesses react to this. we've had 35 months of private sector job growth. that's a good number, with no republican help. and i think that job growth is going to be in jeopardy, not to mention the impact these cuts are going to have on discretionary spending. sheer an example. here is a tornado ripping through mississippi this weekend. they might need some federal help. cuts to disaster relief could make a situation like this even worse. does that bother you? if it hits your backyard, it would. some people think these cuts are only coming from the defense side of things. not true. of the $85 billion, the truth is
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$42 billion are going to come on the back of defense. that's a lot of other money that is out there that we'll talk about in a moment. but what does this defense money mean? this means that there is going to be an 18% reduction in air force flight operations. naval operations in the western pacific would see a cut of about a third. and the president over years has moved our carrier groups in a real concentration, naval concentration in the western pacific because of china and because of our commitment to taiwan and the philippines. a carrier group could be pulled from the persian gulf. conservatives don't like that. what does it all add up to? it all adds up to a lack of resources. but at home it's going to be a loss of jobs. it also hurts small business. you can pick an industry, whichever one you want. there is a lot of them out there that are going to feel the pain. plastics, electronics, steel, engineering, glass, rubber, paper, transportation, air travel in this country, it's all going to be affected. the list goes on and on.
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but republicans, they simply will not budge. they say the democrats need to offer new cuts to avoid the sequester. >> i think republicans are quite prepared to negotiate on redistributing. >> you're saying all cuts. >> no, look. absolutely not. the president accepted no spending cuts back in the fiscal cliff deal 45 days ago. >> make no mistake, when republicans say cuts, they really mean the big three. they want the new deal -- medicare, medicaid, social security. they've been after them for years. but here is another number i want to throw out to you. $1.6 trillion. house democratic leader nancy pelosi can explain this one. >> the fact is we've had plenty of spending cuts, $1.6 trillion in the budget control act. >> so this means that democrats have already offered more cuts than republicans have offered up new revenue. now keep in mind when we talk about tax increases, this most recent fiscal cliff that we went
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through, that was an expiration of legislation that was on the books. that's what that was. we went back to the old rates there is no increase beyond that but keep in mind for every $7 in cuts, there has only been $3 in revenue. the solution for more money, well, they're out there without raising taxes. and here is what we can do. we can end 4 to $5 billion a year in big oil subsidies. these report profit oil companies, do they need your tax dollars? i don't think so. we can close corporate tax loopholes. a lot of talk about that, but not a whole lot of action, you know? they kind of get writers cramp when they start talking about that. the carried interest loophole can be eliminated. also, congress can block the use of offshore tax havens there is legislation that is going to be on the table that is going to deal with that. how many takers from the republicans are going to have? and then wall street traders. you know what they can do? they can pay a fair transaction tax. it would generate billions of
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dollars. following the state of the union address, president obama will spend three days pushing his economic message on the road. he has to do it. because he knows he has to have the public behind him. the president is doing the right thing by fighting these good fights. the country cannot afford the unnecessary damage from these cuts. you and i have paid for this economic recovery with a big stimulus package. and all along the republicans have said no, it's not the right thing to do. now this is their time to spoil all of that. 30-plus months of private sector job growth. we're headed in the right direction. but this sequester is their very point in time in economic history during the obama years where they could deep six a lot of progress. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, will republicans drive our economy into another recession? text "a" for yes. text b for now to 67622. you can always go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. expert opinion on this tonight. let's turn to iowa senator tom harkin. senator, good to have you with
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us tonight. >> hey, good to be back with you, ed. >> i guess we're going to let you go home after 30 years. i don't like it, but i guess that's just the way it is. i appreciate you so much what you've done. you're a tell it like it is kind of guy. what needs to happen, tom, in order to stop these cuts from taking place? >> well, first of all, ed, i thought your introduction laid it out very clearly. what i want to hear from the president tomorrow night is a pro-growth, pro-jobs rebuild the middle class kind of speech. he needs to lay it on the line that we need to invest in our country and rebuilding jobs and rebuilding the middle class. now you laid out some of this stuff. when you hear the republicans talk, ed, about we got to cut this, we got to cut this, we got to cut this, it's almost like they're saying we're poor. the united states, we're poor, we're broke. the fact is, ed, we are the richest nation in the history of the world.
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we are the richest nation today. we have the highest per capita income of any industrialized country. so you have to ask the question, if we're so rich, why are we so broke? the reason is we have a misallocation of money, of capital. too much has gone into fewer and fewer hands and to large corporations. the republicans want to keep that going. i mean, you gave one example, offshoring, for example. right now, look at it this way, ed. company a builds a new plant overseas. guess what? they get a tax deduction for building that plant overseas. they hire workers over there. they get a tax deduction for that. all their corporations overseas, tax deductible. but all the profits they make, no taxes. >> it's amazing. >> that's not fair. >> no, it's not fair. >> that's not fair. >> it is not fair. and the president needs to address that, i agree with you. >> he does. >> we talked about solutions to gather new revenue. one of those solutions is a transaction tax on high-speed trading on wall street. >> yes. >> you believe this will work? >> i do, ed. i've been pushing it for a long
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time. and quite frankly, i don't know if you saw recently, the european union just went that way. and all the major nations in europe now are going to have a transaction tax, which is actually three times as large as what we're proposing in this country. >> yeah. senator, nancy pelosi has said over on the house side that raising the medicare eligibility age is not a viable solution. today white house press secretary jay carney said it's off the table. do you think there is enough political will amongst the democrats collectively to protect the big three? >> well, i sure hope so, ed. you know, this is a contract that we've made with past generations and with future generations. there is no reason to raise the retirement age whatsoever. there are other ways of making sure that social security and medicare work, like maybe cutting down on some of the huge profits that the drug companies are making off some of the drugs that we get in medicare. how about that for an approach? >> sure.
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>> that could sure help. >> senator tom harkin, great to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your time tonight on "the ed show." keep up the fight, my friend. now let's turn to msnbc political analyst and georgetown university professor michael eric dyson and bob shrum, nyu professor of public policy and contributor to the daily beast. gentlemen, good to have you with us. >> thank you. >> bob, you first. what does president obama need to do between now and march 1? i mean, see going on the road right after the state of the union address. i mean, is power to the people going to be the answer to all of this? >> well, i think he's got to go out there. he's got to make that case constantly. he's got say he is fighting for the middle class, position the republicans so that they are actually held responsible for what happens to this economy. if you look at the polling, people think they're the problem. so tomorrow night he's got to lay the groundwork. he's got to keep pushing these issues. hopefully he can get something done, force these people to move. or alternatively, as i wrote last week, he is going to have to campaign in effect for a
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third term in 2014, try to defy history, and try to see if we can either take back the house or get close to taking back the house. >> michael, is the public aware of the consequences of these cuts, what they would actually bring and how it would gut the middle class? >> well, thanks to shows like yours, ed, people are aware of it. i mean, the president in his weekend message said look, we've cut about $2.5 trillion. that's about half of what reasonable economists and politicians on both sides say we need to cut. it's a balanced mix of revenue raising through taxes and cutting. but as you said, the republicans won't rest, because in their crosshairs are social security, medicare, and medicaid. they want entitlement reform to end up being rescinding the great society and the new deal for the vulnerable middle class. so when you look at it, and the cuts are across the board. you're talking about mental health care professionals, you're talking about hiv care for people. you're speaking about housing. all of these things will be significantly cut. teachers, law enforcement, all
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of those people will suffer an enormous loss of not only revenue, but of jobs. and the country as a result of that will suffer. i think bob shrum is right. the president has to barnstorm and shuttle public policy here, get on the road, tell the american people exactly what is at stake. >> and folks, what michael is just talk about right, there that's $45 billion between now and the end of the year of cuts. out of this year's budget, 2013. now, the republican response to the state of the union is going to be divided. senator marco rubio of florida is giving the official response. senator rand paul of kentucky is giving the tea party response. bob, can -- which one of these do you think is going to be the most entertaining? i think it's probably going to be rand paul. are they going to be -- everybody is too busy fighting one another. >> everybody is going to be looking at rubio, because he has been promoted very fast as a possible presidential candidate in 2016. maybe the magic solution to the republicans' hispanic problem. i don't think he is. rand paul could say almost anything. so we really ought to watch
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that. but, you know, this is a massive exercise in hypocrisy the republicans are going through right now. they claim they're for a strong defense, and thane they want to pull a carrier group out of the persian gulf? >> yeah. >> they claim that on immigration reform we have to have border security before we move forward. and this sequester would cut the number of border agents. these folks, and you're right, they don't care what they're going to do as long as they hurt the economy. if they hurt the economy, they think they hurt the president and the democrats. i think it's too transparent, and the country understands it, understood it in 2012, and they won't get away with it this time either. >> and finally, professor, what do you want to hear the president say tomorrow night? what does he have to drive home? >> he's got to drive home the fact that he is the defender and the advocate for the middle class and poor people. poor people get lost in the sauce here. they don't even get to count, because they are so far off the radar of both parties that nobody pays attention to how if the middle class is suffering, the poor people are suffering even more. the president needs to step up,
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defend the middle class, defend those who are vulnerable and poorer and articulate it not as special interests, but as defense of the nation. this is truly the creed of the nation. e pluribus unum. out of many, one. we cannot afford for so many millions of our citizens to do poorly while those who are rich do well. the president must continue to hold the rich accountable. the wealthy must be held responsible. and poor people and middle class people must be protected. and he is our advocate. >> all right. michael eric dyson and bob shrum, great to have you with us on "the ed show" tonight. thank you. remember to answer tonight's question there at the bottom of the screen. share your thoughts with us on twitter at edshow and on facebook. we always want to know what you think. today's surprise resignation by the pope leaves many questions. filmmaker alex gibbney has a documentary about the pope's role in the catholic sex scandal rocking the catholic church. he joins me next. stay with us. i love making money. i try to be smart with my investments. i also try to keep my costs down.
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church he has led for almost eight years. earlier the pope announced that he will abdicate his papacy at the end of the month, a move that hasn't happened in centuries. the 85-year-old pontiff mention nod specific ailment, but noted his advanced age prompted the decision. benedict leaves behind a church marred by sexual abuse. his own legacy tainted by questions surrounding his role in the cover-up of that abuse. a new hbo documentary tells the story of one of the most notorious sexual abuse cases in the catholic church. according to the court and church documents, father lawrence murphy, a headmaster at a school for the deaf in wisconsin rain and molested as many as 200 deaf boys throughout the '50s, '60s and '70s. decades later one of murphy's victims, terry cohut filed a lawsuit against the vatican naming murphy. as cardinal ratzinger served as the head of the powerful congregation for the doctrine of
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the faith, an office known in earlier years as the inquisition. church records indicate ratzinger was aware of father murphy's abuse, yet murphy remained a priest until his death in 1998. of course, murphy was just the tip of the iceburg. in fact, as the documentary reports, from 2001 on, every single priest sexual abuse case came directly to ratzinger. >> as a result of terry's lawsuit, documents were uncovered revealing the role of rome in the worldwide sexual abuse scandal that caught the attention of "the new york times." >> these documents seemed to turn the whole story that we had been writing all these years on its head. up until then, what we thought was that american bishops were at fault. with these documents for, the first time we saw communication between american bishops and in particular the office run by then cardinal ratzinger in which
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the american bishops are pleading with officials in the vatican repeatedly, saying help us get this priest out of the priesthood. the victims are asking us to defrock him. and the response from the vatican is to have compassion for the priest and almost no thought at all about the victims. and you see that in these documents. >> let's turn to alex gibney, director of hbo's "mea maxima culpa." silence in the house of god, which will be airing this friday, february 15th at 6:30 p.m. eastern time on hbo, and is currently on hbo go and hbo on demand. mr. gibney, good to have you with us tonight. >> great to be here, ed. >> you said earlier today, i give him credit for resigning. why? >> because it's the first time it's happened in 600 years. before the pope would almost -- the pope would have to die. it was like a monarchy. in that sense, he -- by resigning, he tells us all it's a position occupied by a man who
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can leave that office. and in some fundamental way i think it gives us all a clue that that office can be held to account. >> will this be benedict's legacy? >> i think his legacy -- in a way, his legacy is his resignation. it may be the best legacy he has. he tried to turn the clock back on doctrine. and i think he never knew how to solve the sexual abuse crisis. he never knew how to take enough responsibility to be proactive enough in order to deal with the issue. so i think he'll be haunted. his papacy will be haunted by the sexual abuse legacy. >> i mean, he has more knowledge than anyone else ever on every case. tell us how he brought all of these records in and where they are. >> the fact is he headed the congregation of the doctrine of the faith, as you noted. and for a long time, only sex crimes relating to the confessional or the act of penance would come to his office. all these sex crimes would go to different offices in the vatican. as of 2001, he persuaded or pope john paul decided that all those
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cases would now come to his office. so from 2001 to 2005, he saw every case. so he is the most knowledgeable person in the world about these issues. >> so what happened to these cases now? >> it's a very good question. i think it's the fundamental question for the church, because it's clear that these are crimes. they're not since, they're crimes. and they've also been covered up in a rather methodical way by the church around the world. >> your research took almost two years. and in your research, are these isolated incidents or is it habitual within the church? >> i think what you see is obviously not every priest is a pedophile. in fact, they're a rather small percentage of priests. but what you do see is patterns that emerge all over the world. for a long time, the vatican said oh, this was an american problem. but now we see this problem cropping up in australia, in germany, in brussels, in ireland, where it's been huge, in italy. so what you see in these -- you know, what you see is patterns. and the patterns are almost
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always of cover-up. instead of oh, let's go to the authorities and report, they cover up these crimes. and you see that now with the documents coming out with cardinal mahoney in los angeles. >> how does the church move forward? >> the church moves forward by taking responsibility. somebody somehow has to step up and say we, the church, are responsible for covering up the crimes, and furthermore, to show our good faith, we're going to disgorge all the documents, not only in archdiocese around the world, but in the vatican so we show not only what happened in the past, but we can protect children in the future. >> in the conclave do you think they'll discuss this as to who is going to be the next pope and how they're going to move forward with this? >> i don't know. i know so little. most of us know so little about what goes on in the curia. i would hope they would discuss it. it is the central stain, as evens pope benedict said on the church. >> alex gibney, great to have you with us. thank you for your time. i'm looking forward to it.
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i've seen the trailer and it's riveting. dick cheney is taking political cheap shots at chuck hagel seven years after shooting his best friend in the face. you don't want to miss this. one year after being visited by the secret service, ted nugent, well, he'll be in the house when the president gives the state of the union address. our special congressional panel weighs in. stick around. ♪behold! ♪the power of a well booked vacation.♪ ♪booking.com ♪booking.yeah!!
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welcome back to "the ed show." chicago police are announcing tonight that they have arrested
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two men who could be connected to the killing of hadiya pendleton in chicago. there is a news conference that is going to be taking place, and we will be joining that later on in this broadcast to bring you the very latest. meanwhile, dick cheney is still whining about president obama's national security policies. this time cheney says that we are less safe because of the president's recent cabinet nominations. during a speech on saturday, cheney said, quote, the performance now of barack obama as he staffs up the national security team for the second term is dismal, frankly. what he has appointed are second-rate people. really? cheney says it's vital to national security that good folks hold positions like secretary of state, cia director, and secretary of defense. we can all be on board with that. first off, none of the president's nominees are second rate. we don't need to point out why everyone on the wall is qualified to serve as the president's national security
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team. meanwhile, let's look at a few bush/cheney dandies from their cabinets there is secretary of defense donald rumsfeld. we can't forget him, can we? he botched the wars in afghanistan and iraq. he ignored critical advice from colleagues and failed to commit the correct number of troops to get the job done for those wars. bush appointed condoleezza rice his national security adviser. well, condi lied about weapons of mass destruction in iraq and played a key role in starting the war. as a reward, bush later promoted her to secretary of state. then there is fema director, how could we ever forget brownie? of course bush told brownie he was doing a heck of a job responding to hurricane katrina. but now brownie is famous for one of the biggest government failures of all time. after the failures in the bush administration, cheney as i think a lot of nerve calling president obama's choices second-rate. chuck hagel is a decorated vietnam veteran with combat experience.
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well, dick cheney was granted five deferments during the vietnam war and never served in the military. and finally, it's interesting that today is the very important anniversary for dick cheney. seven years ago today, cheney shot a man in the face while trying to hunt. it's the closest dick cheney will ever get to combat experience. take it from me. congress must act. >> gabby giffords pushes for progress on guns as the nra strategy to stall legislation is caught on tape. >> a lot of that is going to be sort of delayed as the connecticut effect has to go through the process. >> up next, a special members only panel with representatives elijah cummings, jan chatkowski and keith ellison. the head of fox news says president obama is trying to divide americans based on race. we'll show you the comments. the manhunt continues for california cop killer
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we'll have it or find it, and get it to you fast. staples. that was easy. welcome back to "the ed show." the national rifle association is fighting hard against any kind of common-sense gun measures. at a recent meeting in wisconsin, a gun lobbyist described the nra's cold-hearted strategy. >> we have a strong agenda coming up for next year, but of course a lot of that is going to be sort of delayed as the connecticut effect certainly has to go through the process. after connecticut i had one of the leading democrats in the legislature who is with us, you know, sort of most of the time, not all of the time. all these people my clock is to really ban guns and all that bad stuff. we have to give them something. how about we close this gun show loophole? wouldn't that be good? and i said no, we're not going to do that. and so far nothing has happened on that. >> well, the connecticut effect will be different from the aurora effect or the virginia tech effect or the columbine
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effect because this time 20 defenseless first grade children were killed. it's had a major impression on americans. the obama administration is not letting up. today justice department joe biden met with local leaders and law enforcement officials in philadelphia. today former congresswoman gabby giffords released a new ad. >> take it from me. congress must act. let's get this done. >> let's turn to our congressional panel tonight. let's turn to congressman elijah cummings of maryland joining us. also tonight congresswoman jan schakowsky of illinois and congressman keith of illinois. >> good to be with you, ed. >> you bet. >> congressman cummings, gun violence is something that has touched you personally, that personal connection. tell the audience what it means to get something done on this issue. >> a year and a half ago, ed, my nephew, christopher cummings, an
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honor student at old dominion in norfolk, somebody tried to rob him at fife income the morning and burst into his apartment, and they -- he resisted the robbery, and they killed him. and, you know, ed, i can't even begin to tell you how painful this is. and i can imagine what the folks, the parents of sandy hook felt. because when i went there a few days later and saw brain tissue and blood, my blood all over the walls, i got to tell you, it leaves a -- it leaves a hole in your heart. and, ed, i can tell you, if we do not act now after these 20 beautiful children, our children, after they died the way they did, and then all of the murders that are taking
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places like where i live in the inner city of baltimore, if we don't act now, i don't know when we're going to act. >> yeah. >> and we cannot allow this to become our norm. we can't. >> tonight the chicago police department announced charges against two people in the murder of a 15-year-old honor student, hadiya pendleton, who performed during president obama's inauguration. congresswoman jan schakowsky, inner city gun violence is a big part of this issue. how do we curb it? >> you know, it is, ed, but i have two moms, one who lost a child of 13 years old, and another 19 years old who are with me from my suburban community of evanston, illinois. and so this is everywhere. enough is enough. i think that we have a package from the white house supported by members of congress, supported by gunowners, and each nra members, at least part of it, that we can move forward and
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not to do so is a travesty. and what are we saying to hadiya and her mother that we aren't going to act, not to mention the parents of the 20 kids at sandy hook. we can't do this anymore. >> congressman ellison, gun safety is expected to be a part of president obama's speech tomorrow night. how important is it for the president in your opinion to stay on top of this, and how much of a strong point does he have to make, and would it have an impact? your thoughts. >> i think the president has to lead on this issue. he has been doing that. and i expect he is going to make a strong statement. i think he is going to change the boundaries of what people think is possible by his consistent advocacy. i want to say that vice president biden is on the case. and i also want you to know, ed, that there are a number of us, including jim langevin who are going to invite victims of gun
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violence to the state of the union to be with us. i myself am going to have a young man named sammy rahiman. he is 17 years old. his father was murdered in a shooting incident that took place at his father's business, along with four other people. sammy got the news when he was on a trip to visit a college. he heard a news report that there was a shooting in the neighborhood. he sent an e-mail to his dad to say be careful, but that e-mail was never returned because his father was the victim. he'll be with me tomorrow night as a witness to what we must do, which is to take action on gun violence prevention. >> well, there is a lot of theatrics playing out here. tomorrow night republican congressman steve stockman will have ted nugent as his guest. here is what nugent said today. >> we know that the president will have the state of the union stacked and jammed with props, children, and victims of violent crime. and my friends wanted me to attend to counter that.
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>> and of course this is a man who was investigated by the secret service after he said if president obama is re-elected, that he will either be dead or in jail by this time next year. what about that, congresswoman? >> how dare he call these parents -- one of the moms is going to be my guest tomorrow night. how dare he call them props. carolyn murray, who lost her 19-year-old son is not a prop. she is a grieving mother who has turned her pain into power. >> right. >> in fighting against gun violence. >> congressman cummings, your response to that. >> you know, i remember when my nephew was murdered. that very night, the bloggers were all over the place saying oh, cummings is going to, quote, politicize, unquote, this matter and ask for gun control. it's not politicizing anything. it's about saying to our society we're better than this.
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and i believe deeply, ed, that we have a duty as adults to protect our children and protect our folks. and the reasonable package of bills that the democrats in the congress have now submitted i think is a reasonable package, and a package that reasonable thinking people should agree to. >> keith? >> you know, i think that what we are talking about is what most americans want. most americans think there should be background checks, including gun owners. most americans think that high capacity clips don't have a place. most people think that weapons of war don't belong on our streets. we do believe the center for disease control should study gun violence. these are all common sense things. shame on ted nugent. i'm so sad he has said those things. but i want the people who have been victims of gun violence to know that we do care deeply about them, and we do believe that they need to be represented in that forum tomorrow night. >> there is a lot of conversation that you're not
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going to be able to get the assault weapons banned, that universal background checks and closing the gun show loophole. congresswoman schakowsky, would you be all right with that? >> you know, ed, we're making progress already with 23 executive orders of the president. >> yeah. >> if we get background checks, if we get rid of these clips, that is definitely a victory. we're not going to start pushing -- stop pushing to get rid of these assault weapons. >> sure. >> but, you know, we're going win major victories that are going to represent real progress. >> congressman cummings? >> yeah, i think we're going to have some progress. i don't know whether we'll get everything. i hope so. but as you know, ed, i have a gun trafficking bill. >> yeah. >> along with congresswoman maloney. we've already gotten five co-sponsors. and this is the kind of legislation. >> put me on it. >> that police officers are begging for. they want it desperately. so i feel pretty confident about that. >> congressman elijah cummings.
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>> congresswoman jan schakowsky and congressman keith ellison, i really appreciate all of you being here. >> thank you. >> thank you, ed, for your advocacy. thank you very much. >> thank you. roger ailes has made a living demonizing the president. but his latest comments set a new low. that's next. l stations come oveo mission a for a final go. this is for real this time. step seven point two one two. verify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture. the most innovative software on the planet... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leading companies to places beyond it. siemens. answers.
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and we are back. roger ailes i think needs to take a good look in the mirror, because in an interview with the new republic, the fox news ceo accuses president obama of what? stirring up hate? now i know where hannity gets his material. his quote is this. the president likes to divide people into groups. he is too busy getting the middle class to hate rich people, blacks to hate whites. he is busy trying to get everybody to hate each other.
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yes, roger ailes said all of that. the same roger ailes who perfected the dog whistle politics of the southern strategy working for richard nixon. the same roger ailes who built a channel dependent on convincing viewers it's okay to hate the opposition, a channel that relentlessly promoted the myth that president obama, our first african-american president, is a foreign-born socialist. a channel that employed the likes of glenn beck and sarah palin. where are they now? a channel that says we're on the brink of a civil war between makers and takers. a channel that claims that liberals have declared a war on religion and marriage and christmas, a channel that vilifies union members, undocumented workers in this country, and women seeking contraception coverage. the mastermind behind fox news thinks president obama has a divisive agenda? it's no wonder fox news has hit a record low in ratings and
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across southern california are now asking the public to help with the biggest manhunt in recent history. hundreds of officers are searching for christopher dorner, who is accused of killing three people and wounding two others over the past several weeks. officers say dorner has declared war on the police force, and they're worried that he won't stop killing until he is dead. dorner is so dangerous that the lapd responds with s.w.a.t. teams when someone calls in a tip about him. last night tactical units surrounded a home improvement store in northridge and cleared out all of the shoppers. it turned out to be a false alarm. now the lapd is posting a $1 million reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of christopher dorner. that's the biggest reward in lapd history. the reward and the media attention have helped generate more than 600 tips, but there are no solid leads. so tonight dozens of officers and at least 50 families with ties to the lapd are all under guard. finally, we told you officers and s.w.a.t. team members were
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fighting snowy conditions to search eight square miles around big bear lake in california. so far they have come up empty handed. there are a few other reasons police are worried dorner will strike again. dorner is an ex-cop who has published a manifesto listing the people he wants to target. dorner is also ex-military and became a lieutenant in the navy reserve. we learn today that dorner got counterterrorism training in the navy, and he might have gotten flight training as well. today the tsa issued a warning for small pilots, small aircraft and small airports to be on the lookout. police say chris dorner could be heavily armed with at least one assault weapon. today investigators across southern california asked the public to join in the search. >> we need all of the public's eyes and ears in assisting law enforcement in apprehending this very dangerous individual. >> we are joined tonight by clint van zandt, msnbc criminal analyst and former fbi profiler.
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mr. vanzandt, great to have you with us tonight. thank you. are you surprised that dorner is still on the loose? >> well, i am, ed. and yet when you listen to how you just described him, which is really true, this is an ex-cop. this is an ex-navy lieutenant with terrorism training. and as important, this is someone who has accumulated these slights against him psychologically for a number of years. and i think, ed, had quite a bit of time to prepare for this, to plan it out. we know he went down to san diego. we know, as you say, he went up to big bear lake. and now where is he? is he come where in between? could he have made to it mexico at the time? you've got this million reward. hundreds of tips are coming in. but so far he is not there. and it looks like the best thing the lapd have going for them right now is the chief of police indicating that he will
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personally review the case that originally caused dorner to be fired from the police department. >> and the former l.a. police chief william bratten told the "today" show that he has looked at three different criminal profiles about dorner, and calls him an injustice collector. here it is. >> he is an injustice collector. that's a term that they use. he collects injustices and never lets them go. >> what is your reaction to that, mr. vanzandt? >> well, i think it's true. i think this is someone who since he was a child believes that he has been put down, that he hasn't had a fair shake all the time. and all of this, ed, has accumulated. this has been, you know, a few pounds, a few pounds, a few pounds. and now we have hundreds of pounds of challenge that this man is carrying right now. and realize what is important too is that even though he blames the lapd for him being fired, the lawyer, the former lapd captain turned lawyer